From majordomo-owner@tamos.gmu.edu Wed May 24 10:46:13 1995 Subject: Majordomo results Reply-To: majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu -- >>>> subscribe oceans adam@vlsi.caltech.edu Your request to majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu: subscribe oceans adam@vlsi.caltech.edu has been forwarded to the owner of the "oceans" list for approval. This could be for any of several reasons: You might have asked to subscribe to a "closed" list, where all new additions must be approved by the list owner. You might have asked to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the one that appears in the headers of your mail message. When the list owner approves your request, you will be notified. If you have any questions about the policy of the list owner, please contact "oceans-approval@tamos.gmu.edu". Thanks! majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu From owner-oceans@tamos.gmu.edu Wed May 24 10:50:47 1995 Subject: Welcome to oceans Reply-To: majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu -- Welcome to the oceans mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe oceans adam@vlsi.caltech.edu Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: The List Managers for Oceans are Chris Nelson and Dave Storey. They can be reached at: PJ-owner@tamos.gmu.edu if there is a problem. To post on "Oceans" simply send your posts to: oceans@tamos.gmu.edu *The Mini Chris and Dave FAQ* Dave is a sophmore in college, majoring in Systems Engi- neering. He is a highly sought after computer consultant and system installer...a virtual computer commodity in the Washington DC area. Dave is the secondary manager of this list. He helps to fix the problems that Chris causes ;> Dave is a fan of Pearl Jam, but if the truth be known his heart REALLY leans towards Tori Amos. Chris, also a sophmore in college, is a Recording Tech/ Broadcast/Production major. He is no where near as rich as Dave...but he does many musical side projects and recording gigs. Chris is the head manager of the list, and takes care of all the day to day running of the list. Chris has been a fan of Pearl Jam ever since the first time he heard "Alive" on WHFS. He ran out and bought the CD the next day ;> Chris has met the band, and has seen Pearl Jam nine times in concert. He is the REALLY big fan of the two list managers. Dave and Chris are both musicians (Dave plays Sax, Chris plays bass -- you should hear them play "Black" or "Oceans") and they both are committed to bringing you the best list they can produce. Running a list of this size has proven to already be a chore (to put it gently) but since no else appeared to be picking up the slack for GoS; "Oceans" was created. The list may occasionally be halted due to normal problems (power outtages, natural disasters, nuclear attack, riots, a really good concert they have to go see, or their own tragic personal lives) but they will do their best to keep things running smooth for everyone. If you have a problem, please e-mail them. If you wish to shower Dave or Chris with gifts for taking on this task...email at... (hehe) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Welcome to "Oceans!" Now that you are a subscribed member take a look at this helpful guide. It's designed to make you feel more comfortable with what Oceans is about, and to give you tips on how we can all keep Oceans a friendly, prosperous and enjoyable experience for everyone involved. +Disclaimer+ First off, lets get the legal jazz out of the way. The list owners/managers (Chris Nelson and Dave Storey) are in no way responsible for messages reflected through Oceans. The views expressed on Oceans are solely those of the original authors. That wasn't so painful, and now Dave and I have completed the 'cover our ass' section. Please don't pre-judge the following as a bunch of boring rules. This list is not about censoring anyone. Please keep an open mind when reading these guidelines; you'll find them helpful in dealing with newsgroups, forums, and mailing lists throughout the Internet. This is what many call "Proper Netiquette." + You don't have to stray, the Oceans away... + Its exciting to come across a group of fans of your favorite band and become active on the Internet. But hold your horses for a sec.! Before you plunge into the discussion, get your- self a copy of the Pearl Jam FAQ (I'm sure it still has old GOS references -- pretend it says "Oceans" instead!) and read through it. The FAQ is put together by tremendously loving and helpful volunteers as a way to compile the universe of puzzling Pearl Jam lore into one, easily referencable, encompassing tome. The FAQ is where you can find out what date they played the Patriot Center, the name of Eddie Vedder's wife, the ever growing list of drummers, and so much more. Its really an amazing piece of literature. A Must read for any Pearl Jam fan. You can download the FAQ and keep a hardcopy on paper or hard disk, ready for action! Yes, it *is* long! But you don't need to read it all. Just skim along and read whatever interests you. This is the easiest way to keep the same monotonous questions from being asked on Oceans. The FAQ often times sparks a great discus- sion, and it's great for a memory jogger. The FAQ is available at several locations: Via FTP: at mirage.skypoint.com At "login" type: anonymous At "password" type your e-mail address Once you're logged in, go to /pub/members/calebl Via the World Wide Web: in the GOS web page point your web browser to the following URL: (http://www.skypoint.com/members/calebl/gos.html). Via e-mail: Ask on Oceans, and you shall recieve! +Other Ways to Avoid Monotony+ * Read the day's messages or digest (when available) before you post. See who else is posting and what subjects are being discussed. If you can answer a question or have an opinion on something, don't be shy. * When you quote other messages, try to attribute the quote correctly to the author. Always delete "quote-ees" sig files (those chatty signature boxes and things at the end of other's messages). * Bootlegs are cool; rumor has it Eddie even makes his own at each show. Trades though, are between two people and not the entire list of subscribers of Oceans. You may make your bootlists available via PRIVATE e-mail or your own site. DO NOT post your bootleg list on "Oceans." (Its just not a cool thing to do.) Selling bootlegs is illegal, do not do it on Oceans. Announcement of CDs, boots, etc for tape trees are cool, as long as the specifics are carried out via PRIVATE e-mail. +Dive In! Getting Involved on Oceans+ * Introduce yourself! Oceans welcomes new members! Tell us who you are, what you do, and how you got into Pearl Jam. How did you hear about the Oceans list? Have you seen Pearl Jam live? When/where? We love to read reviews and hear personal experiences, encounters, and impressions. It's fun to see how lucky we are to have such a killer bunch of members. We are all friends here, in our love of Pearl Jam. +Remaing Cool in the Face of Flames+ "PEARL JAM SUCKS!!!" Someone's goin to say it. Or something else that upsets us. Maybe you posted a heartfelt interpre- tation of the song "Release" or "Black" -- and someone called it stupid. It's tempting to yell back to defend yourself. But wait!!! Take a second to put the situation in perspective. Aren't you glad you are above childish name calling and vicious negativ- ity? You don't need to be rude to get your point across. If you still feel the need to reply, follow these tips: * Use +PRIVATE+ e-mail. As it's *you* who is offended, the reply should be sent by *you* to ONLY the hopeless jerk. NOT to everyone on the list. If others feel the same way, they too should send +PRIVATE+ email. Then the original poster (i.e. Jerky) will find several flames in his mailbox without the rest of the list being bothered. * Learn the command in your mail program that sends a reply to only the original sender. Note the "auto reply" sends to the +ENTIRE+ bunch of Ocean subscribers -- not JUST the or- iginal sender. * When you're sure a reply to flame can be of interest to others on the list (a different opinion, a good point), then go ahead and post to the list. But take a moment to compose your thoughts so the thread becomes a discussion -- and NOT a flame war. Here's a recent example: When Pearl Jam played the Voters For Choice Benefit in Washington D.C., their political stance generated a great deal of discussion. This is a good thing. Pearl Jam takes an open stand on many con- troversial issues, and, naturally, the dwellers of "oceans" will not always agree with those issues. Many members feared the Choice/Life discussion would erupt into a flame war the likes of which no has ever seen. Others thought the entire discussion was a waste of bandwidth. The dis- cussion was carried out in an intelligent and respectful give-and-take (proving that Pearl Jam members on this mailing list are of only the highest caliber). We were curious, apprehensive, and hopeful -- all at once -- yet it provided to be a positive experience for all. Use expression to win friends and influence people! Maybe someone posted something you find offensive. You could go private e-mail, but maybe you want to liven up the dis- cussion on Oceans with a bit of sarcasm. That's cool with me! We all enjoy a good laugh. All I ask is that you don't get mean and nasty. We value friendship and mutual respect even over wit! Most important, we want the Oceann to be a fun place to be. Sometimes written word can't express emotions like humor, irony, or grief. Use smileys and abbreviations when you want to make sure a message is taken in the spirit you intended: ********************************************************* * :) :-) = Smiley...happy...sarcasm * * ;) ;> = Winking and smirking...sarcasm * * :0 :O = Open mouth - Surprised or Shocked * * :( :< = Frowning...upset or sad * * ROTFL = Rolling On The Floor Laughing * * IMHO = In My Humble Opinion * * BTW = By the way * ********************************************************* +and finally..., * DON'T SEND A MESSAGE IN ALL CAPS (people perceive this as SHOUTING!). * That's it! Just enjoy being in the Ocean and treat others like you expect to be treated. And when all else fails, count to ten (or better yet...PLAY IT -- *** LOUD ***) ... and remember why we are here. Special thanks to Caleb LaVergne for sending me a rough copy of the "Oceans" welcome file. It is very similar to the GOS file... Your Oceans Managers Chris Nelson (cnelson@tamos.gmu.edu) Dave Storey (rwraithe@tamos.gmu.edu) For oceans related issues...write to: PJ-owner@tamos.gmu.edu From PJ-owner@tamos.gmu.edu Wed May 24 13:52:04 1995 Subject: It FINALLY works :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-oceans@tamos.gmu.edu Yes, after 36 hours of frustration, the digest version of Oceans is available!!!! ALong with an archive list. Oceans on the WWW will also be a reality soon. I've included the below section in the welcome file, this has all important info regarding mailing majordomo and Oceans...and how to go about subscribing, unsubscribing, and all that other fun stuff. Special thanks to Dave for all his work the last day and a half, the "other" "secretive" list manager ;> Here we go: _____________________________________________________________________________ The List Managers for Oceans are Chris Nelson and Dave Storey. They can be reached at: PJ-owner@tamos.gmu.edu if there is a problem. -----> To POST on "Oceans" simply send your posts to: oceans@tamos.gmu.edu -----> To UNSUBSCRIBE from "Oceans" send a message to: majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu -- with no subject and this message: unsubscribe oceans you@your.email.address -----> To SUBSCRIBE to the DIGEST format of Oceans send a message to: majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu -- with no subject and this message: subscribe oceans-digest you@your.email.address If you subscribe to the digest format, do not forget to take yourself off the normal list. -----> To get access to the ARCHIVE of Oceans digests as well as a MONTHLY archive of the list send a message to: majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu -- with no subject and this message: index oceans index oceans-digest ------> The archive will send you a list of files...to GET a file, send a message to majordomo@tamos.gmu.edu with no subject and this message: get ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hopefully, this should be the last administrative post for a while. I'm glad everything is finally happening. As always, e-mail me if you have a problem...suggestion, etc. Also, I would love to get some kind of cool "Oceans" art to stick somewhere, anyone got anything? Or any artists want to create? Excelsior! Oceans Manager Chris From oceans-digest-request@tamos.gmu.edu Wed Oct 4 03:01:57 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: tamos.gmu.edu: list set sender to oceans-digest-request@tamos.gmu.edu using -f Subject: oceans-digest Digest V95 #72 X-Loop: oceans-digest@tamos.gmu.edu X-Mailing-List: archive/volume95/72 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: oceans-digest@tamos.gmu.edu Reply-To: oceans-digest@tamos.gmu.edu ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain oceans-digest Digest Volume 95 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: VERY IMPORTANT LIST INFO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 19:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Oceans List Manager To: oceans@tamos.gmu.edu Subject: VERY IMPORTANT LIST INFO Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: ALL OCEANS and OCEANS-DIGEST SUBSCRIBERS! Due to the many problems with OCEANS and OCEANS-DIGEST this mailing list is going to be temporarily taken off line. I regret having to take such an action but I am left with NO other alternative currently. I've spoken with the ROOT at tamos.gmu.edu (I socialized with him last night) and we continued our discussion on what can be done to keep Oceans going. We sat down and analyzed the two major problems Dave and I are facing running this list: #1 SYSTEM STRESS: Tamos.gmu.edu is not one of George Mason University's larger servers. It's "function" is to do some technical crap that I don't understand ;> As a side function, the root of tamos.gmu.edu has blessed us with the chance to run a HEY-UGE mailing list from it. Oceans and Oceans digest produce an INCREDIBLE amount of mail. For every message sent to "oceans@tamos.gmu.edu" the system immediately turns around and sends that message back out...to nearly 1,000 people. Figure in an average day of mail at 40-50 pieces of oceans mail a day, or a heavy day of 100+ messages. That is between 40-50,000 - 100,000 email messages a DAY. The root at tamos had never seen the load averages sky rocket like they have in the past week. We both believe that Oceans is the main cause for this problem. #2. LIST MANAGER STRESS As I have detailed in the past few weeks the "pjowner" account is being flooded with messages. Everytime a user has a full inbox (this is especially true for our AOL friends who don't check their mail often) every piece of oceans-mail gets returned to me. Often times, I'll get 300 bounced messages in the matter of moments once a system decides to "inform" me that a user account has been discontinued, has a full mailbox...etc. I +have+ to read all these messages....because if there is some administrative request in the midst of 300 error messages its my 'job' to make sure I don't miss it. We (Dave and I) have tried many different software programs, but we continue to be unhappy with some portion of the list and how it operates. During OCEAN'S downtime -- we will be actively working on finding "THE" software to use for this list. As I have also said I (Chris) do about 95% of all work on Oceans (not to say anything bad about Dave -- thats just not in his description) and with my current schedule (no question the most challenging semester of my existance) it proves to be neearly impossible to run a list that pleases everyone, and to handle all the other responsibilities in my life. One nice subscriber wrote me and thanked me for using my 'relax' time to run Oceans. Well, because of "Oceans' i see little relax time. With new software, and maybe a set subscription limit we may be able to recover brilliantly. The possibilty does exist however that Oceans will end up being terminated. If that happens, I apologize...but you will be alerted via one last message to the list. If the list does continue, everyone will have to be much more considerate about message quoting, personal email, and many of the time wasting/annoying messages that subscribers have to dig through. One thing that has always puzzled me is that someone will say. "Bob@pearl.jam.com, my email is bouncing to you -- so I'm writing to you through the list." News flash! If your mail is bouncing to Bob, SO IS MINE! This list is a brilliant example on how we can really share info, concert stories...etc, but also a great example that everyonce in a while some one needs to just say "shut up already" and lets stick to buisness. More and more people have been writing me personally saying, "Is there anything you can do to keep all this crap off the list?"...the answer is no. This is not a moderated list, and I would rather crash OCEANS than moderate it. I recieve mail saying, "Look at SOY (The +Live+ mailing list, which is a great one if you like +Live+), they have atleast as many subscribers as Oceans...and I never see any of this crap on their list." Thats because it is moderated. Moderated meaning the list manager edits some messages, and rejects others completely. I'm not picking on SOY by the way, I'm one of its first subscribers and I like it a lot. No one wants to have to resort through tredging through the newsgroup to get waht we get here...but if we are not careful, Oceans can, and is, in a way, turning into alt.music.pearl-jam. All administrative requests will be put on hold until OCEANS is either brought back up, or taken down for good. I will be happy to reply to your personal email -- questions, comments, flames at: pjowner@tamos.gmu.edu cnelson@tamos.gmu.edu I would expect Oceans to be down anywhere from a day to a couple of weeks. My heart is still in this project like it was when I started...I just can't be happy running the list in the sub-par manner I've been running it lately. Stay tuned for more information, and possible updates on alt.music.pearl-jam. "I'll ride the wave, where it takes me..." Oceans List Manager Chris Nelson -------------------------------- End of oceans-digest Digest V95 Issue #72 *****************************************